Thursday, July 24, 2008

Responding to the Opposition

Grant's opponent (DFL State Representative Joe Mullery) sent out a survey recently to his district's voters. Here is the official response from yours truly.

As always, enjoy or do not.

Best,

- Soapster

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1. Should the state pay for a portion of a new Vikings stadium?

The answer to this question is of course no. However, bear in mind that the “state” pays for nothing. In order for the state to pay, provide or fund anything, it must first take money from individuals to whom it belongs in an effort to do so. So long as that which the state pays, funds or provides equally benefits all of the individuals for whom the service is meant to provide for, an argument can be made that such an act by government is just (though let us keep in mind that such service falls within the confines of Constitutional permission). But, because not all of those paying for a Twins stadium or Vikings stadium are sports fans, it is then virtually impossible to make a sound or logical argument that said individuals are beneficiaries of such an endeavor. What is more, in so much as it is unjust that the state would pay for a portion of a new Vikings stadium; it too is equally unjust that the state would provide funding for any one of a myriad of theatres, or any other such subsidy, which benefits one citizen at the expense of another whatever its intention. If I rob a bank but give all of the money to an orphanage, I am a thief. That government ought to have a legal monopoly by the same premise does not the practice make just.

2. Should income taxes on the top one percent be increased so they pay at least 12 percent of their income in state and local taxes like the rest of us?

The purpose of getting ahead in life is predicated on the notion that as your income rises, that which you spend towards necessities (i.e., food, clothing, housing, healthcare, etc.) falls. When one purchases a loaf of bread, an automobile, etc. the cost of said item is not determined based upon the purchaser’s income. The cost of a loaf of bread or a brand new Mercedes is the same for an individual who makes $40,000 a year as it is for an individual who makes $400,000 a year. Why is it the cost of government ought to be any different? It is for no other reason than the fact that government has gotten itself into the business of charity. But, be it known, there is nothing “charitable” about spending someone else’s money. If I rob a bank but then give that money to an orphanage or purchase clothing for homeless persons, despite my good intentions I am a thief. And yet, government does this very thing every single day. Whether or not to give charitably is a decision left to the individual. Government’s only role with respect to charitable giving is to protect the property (i.e., wealth) of said individual from theft so that they may give charitably if they so choose.

What is more, those in government and those whom adopt and advocate the notion that “the wealthy should pay their fair share” ignore a fundamental economic truth. While it is indeed true that the state’s top earners do pay a lower percentage or their income in taxes, this illogical argument dismisses the fact that in real dollars, 9% on $350,000 in annual income is much more than is 12% on say $40,000.

It is for this very reason that when it comes to the real burden of state taxation, the top one percent of the state’s earners, those whose incomes exceed $354,758 carry 24 percent of the state’s total tax burden (this according the MN Department of Revenue’s Tax Incidence Study of 2004 data). The study goes on to find, that after crediting the $33.5 billion afforded to the state’s bottom 20 percent of earners through refunds, their income tax contribution amounts to zero. Moreover, the same study finds that the top 10 percent, those raking in an apparently exorbitant $105,450 (a figure which might include a married couple filing jointly), contributed $3.2 billion of the state’s total $5.8 billion income tax collection (forget the calculator it’s 55%) in 2004.

The argument that the “wealthy” should pay more or should pay their “fair” share is an argument without any honest credibility. Dare we inquire if it is fair that individuals or couples earning over $105,000 a year should shoulder 55% of the state’s tax burden? Or, ought we inquire if it is fair that the “uber rich”, those earning $355,000 a year, should shoulder 24% of the state’s tax burden?

When challenged with these facts, proponents who advocate further raising taxes on the “rich”, change the course of the argument by then asserting that the wealthy should pay more because they use more in government services. As they make this claim, it is then worth noting that they have first admitted that the well to do are in fact paying more but secondly, they again ignore factual evidence from a number of studies which have found that higher income earners actually receive less in government services.

A separate special report released by nonpartisan tax research group the Tax Foundation, which coincided with the Minnesota Department of Revenue’s Tax Incidence Study and which fully supported the findings of the Minnesota tax incidence’s statistics, found that “America’s lowest-earning one-fifth of households received roughly $8.21 in government spending for each dollar of taxes paid in 2004. Households with middle-incomes received $1.30 per tax dollar (nearly breaking even), while America’s highest-earning households received a mere $.41 in government spending to their tax dollar.” The report further found that “government spending targeted at the lowest-earning 60% of U.S. households is larger than what they paid in federal, state, and local taxes.” Case in point, the wealthy are subsidizing the poor and, as the report indicates, to an estimated tune of between $1.03 and $1.53 trillion dollars which was redistributed from the two highest income quintiles to the three lowest.

As Conservatives, we are not without compassion. Our greatest hope is that each and every individual can and will help their fellow man at a point when they are able to do so for the sake of a more prosperous environment. However, we hold that, as part of living in a free society, such aid and comfort that any individual provides should not be done through force. At present, government has an exclusive monopoly on this force thereby making individuals do something they otherwise may or may not do.

3. Should the state assure that families making $80,000 (for a family of four) or less pay no more than six percent of their income on health care?

In short, No. It is not the role, duty, or obligation of the state to dictate what an individual wishes to spend on their healthcare or any other such needs. As the state is wont to do, it has already gone to great lengths to set up a myriad of programs intended to aid citizens; programs which have led to significant red tape, bureaucracy, and overall mismanagement. More importantly, it is worth inquiring as to precisely how the state expects to accomplish this feat. Surely, if a family’s healthcare needs exceed the six percent threshold, the difference will need to be met. One might conclude that this would be done in one of two ways. First, as is currently the case with respect to a number of Medicare payments, reimbursement to the provider would not be paid in full. This practice of not reimbursing the provider for the total market cost of services rendered, instead reimbursing for a cost the government deems appropriate, will lead to a decline in providers willing to provide these services. Secondly, as goes back to our previous response, one might also conclude by Mr. Mullery’s pursuit to keep said families health care costs from exceeding the six percent mandate, any amount over that would be paid for, not by the state as Mr. Mullery contends but rather, by the Minnesota taxpayer. Again, we do not hold it the role, duty, or obligation of the state to levy taxes upon any Minnesotan for the purpose of transferring that money to another individual that Mr. Mullery or the state deems in need of. This transfer of wealth from those who have it to those who need it through state authority is nothing short of Marxism: “From each according his ability to each according to his need.”


4. Should a police or probation officer have the right to pat someone down for a gun if they know the person served time in prison for a violent drug offense involving a gun, and is currently sentenced to supervised release for the purpose of rehabilitation, yet is seen in an area where drug dealers and gangs hang out?

First and foremost, it is worth pointing out here that Mr. Mullery’s opposition to the inalienable right to Life and the subsequent right to “keep and bear arms” is well known. This a Representative who, as chair of the Pubic Safety and Civil Justice Committee, is against expansion of the Castle Doctrine having held it hostage in Committee. This action was a direct trampling upon the right of a person to use deadly force against a violent attacker in and outside of his or her home and vehicle and remove the duty to retreat when outside of the home.

With respect to the question herein, it is necessary before making an assessment on the matter to consider what the provisions of the “supervised release” were. If under the provisions of the release the individual is precluded from being in an area “where drug dealers and gangs hang out” then they have clearly violated the terms of their release. As such, a pat down would likely be justified. However, provided that the terms of the release do not preclude the offender from being in such an area, merely being seen in such an area isn’t a criminal act. For an officer to stop an individual based on that premise and then pat that individual down is nothing short of guilt by mere association. Such an act flies in the face of innocent until proven guilty.

34 comments:

Patrick M said...

That is the conservatism that we lack so desperately at the national level. The clarity in which you answer these questions explains why conservatism has to win for us to survive as a society.

Plus you worked 'uber-' in there. One of my favorite prefixes.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

The key word there Smithers is "let them" build a new Vikings stadium.

There is nothing them in us (i.e., the taxpayer).

What's more, conservatives aren't spineless. Those without spines, unwilling to stand on principle, and forever fearfull of losing an election are nothing of the sort.

The only fault lies in not having a guiding philosophy by which we live and make decisions.

Patrick - thanks for the kind sentiment. It means alot. And, it is for that very reason that I've asserted, in the current work I'm doing, that the message is everything; much more so than is the means by which we carry it.

Patrick M said...

You go Smithers! Courage of the anonymous. You inspire in ways that people with substance could never do.

UberSoap: Just let me know if you need a rewrite for excessive sarcasm up there.

Beth said...

Oh yes, Smithers, you are so right, liberals do not find fault very easily in anyone or anything, they are such tolerant people!

Thank you so much for adding to this discussion, I think Soapboxgod should just call up that campaign and apologize profusely for having a differing opinion. Really Soapie, how dare you!

Anonymous said...

I hope you guys are happy… You should be ashamed at the way you railroaded Hillary..For shame….You guys are idiots..I am sick of you biased, pompous, and elitist right-wing jerks. You think you know it all.
If they want to build a stadium, who the hell are you to try and stop them?
Think about all the jobs that may be created across state.
so shut up and just go along with it, it won't hurt trust me.
It may even bring in a few tax dollars

It's just appalling……….

Anonymous said...

And Beth, don't be a wise ass sarcastic dummy.
You're not to swift yourself.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

Idiots you say huh? Listen hear you fucking asshat. I have a guiding philosophy. I have principles that I apply equally across the board. I don't give two shits if Carl Pohlad wants to build a Goddamn Twins Stadium or not. But, I will tell you one fucking thing, I shouldn't have to subsidize his business venture. Nor should I have to pay the bills of an irresponsible individual(s) who haven't exhibited the intestinal or mental fortitude to make something of themselves and instead have opted for a life of mediocrity which encompasses having a handful of children for whom she and the children's father can ill afford.

That my friend is standing on principle.

Don't pull some fucking commentary out of your ass with respect to "creating jobs" and "bringing in tax dollars".

I'm not in the business of subsidizing ANYONE'S workforce. And, you'd do well to do your homework on the tax issue.

What Bill Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office was immoral. But, you know what??? What Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giulianni did is equally immoral!

And, for the record you incompetent boob, I didn't give one damn care to Hillary Clinton or any part of her campaign just as I don't give a rat's ass about Obama's.

Hillary Clinton got railroaded by the media; a media that is nothing short of a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic party mind you. And why??? It is for no other reason that your beloved Socialists and "progressives" found something better than just "a woman candidate". NO, they found a black man.

And what, pray tell might trump that? Lord can only imagine. Maybe a transexual transvestite who has an affinity towards S&M or some damn thing. That's how flippin' progressive you are.

You change with the winds whatever direction it may blow. You have no credibility and I'll be damned if you're going to come into this forum and talk your shit and throw around your comments about someone being a wise ass sarcastic dummy.

Once you can provide a sound rebuttal to the questions herein, then you may have the floor. Until then, spew your empty fucking conservative bashing somewhere else.

We're providing solutions to today's problems. All I'm getting from you is empty rhetoric.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

What are you the fucking speech police?? This is MY blog. I'll use whatever language I deem appropriate to get my point across. As such, you have two choices: you can either deal with it and read it or you can take your fucking progressive subsidizing ass somewhere else.

Uno problemo with your assessment. I'm not a "Party" man. If the "Party" fucks up, I have the intellectual honesty to admit it. And, rather than simply fall in line and continuing fostering such a behavior, I'll change it and get those politicians out and replace them with individuals who have integrity and honesty.

And, while it is completely true that the Bush administration has been nothing short of incompetent on a whole host of issues, let us have the objectivity to remember and point out that your Democrats in congress aren't exactly scoring popularity points in the legislative branch.

As for your assessment of our "beautiful" city, why don't you come visit us sometime? You can find yourself overcome with joy while having no compunction whatsoever about riding the massively subsidized light rail choo choo train (which runs an annual $10 million operating cost shortfall), attend our publicly subsidized Twins stadium, drink from one of our 10 different $50,000 "artist designed" drinking fountains, as you dodge bullets over on block E all the while your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend is verbally assaulted by the scores of thugs hanging around looking tough.

Beth said...

Typical cut and run liberal.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

Thank you all. And, my apologies to legitimate ass-hats everywhere.

Obob said...

as a Bears fan, I want you guys to have an open air stadium. So maybe you give me a six pack and cement saw I'll help.
In Indy, we are paying a 9% sales tax to fund Lucas Oil Field. And we are stilling paying off the Hoosier Dome.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

Be that as it may, it doesn't make it just.

I have several friends that own small businesses. And yet, you don't see us subsidizing a manufacturing warehouse for them....

Beth said...

In case Smithers is lurking, think of the whole stadium thing like this, how would you like to be coerced into investing in a business you had no interest in, or didn't even like that bsuiness?

Now think of all the MN taxpayers who don't give a crap about football being forced to put their money in a project for a profit-seeking business such as an NFL team. It would kinda suck, wouldn't it? Especially if say you were a small business owner with a great idea, but no capital, and nobody is handing you an expensive building so you can put people to work in your state.

Now Smithers, if you can cut the insults and let's talk like adults about real issues that affect Americans in their daily lives, I for one would really like to have a nice dialogue with you, or anyone else who might be able to articulate some sort of coherent debate to think otherwise, because for the life of me I cannot reconcile the idea of taxpayers subsidizing businesses randomly.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Beth sais-----"Now Smithers, if you can cut the insults and let's talk like adults about real issues that affect Americans in their daily lives, I for one would really like to have a nice dialogue with you, or anyone else who might be able to articulate some sort of coherent debate to think otherwise,"

Are you kidding?
I was doing exactly that when that barnyard dog started to 4 letter me.
How come you didn't mention that?
I didn't use that kind of trash talk, he did.
But to get back to the subject, if you really want to talk about it.

A project like that will create thousands of jobs, and bring in millions of dollars in revenue every year after. Tou have to think of the long term, the bigger picture.
You can't hold back a cit and let it decay, then you get the results that the barnyard dog was talking about.
Thugs, etc.
Bring in a new and attractive stadium and the city will improve and attract the kind of people you will want to be there not the hoods
Don't just think of your personal likes or dislikes.
Be a little open minded.
Building up a city can only make it better.
If you sit by and let your city decay, and fear that your neighborhood is not safe and that hoodlum are roaming around, what are you going to do? Let them take the city over? No, you want to invest in improvment!

I'm done here folks. You don't like me ( I can read)and the feeling is mutual.

Beth said...

I don't even know you to say whether I like you or not, it's your ideas I don't care for, Smithers.

I can understand the economics of a thriving city and creating jobs. I simply think the role of governmemt in that is making a safe environment and an appealing location for people to want to invest in their city or state. After that, you can't take public funds to provide for one business, it's not what our founding fathers designed our republic to do.

Believe me, I live in Cleveland and know about a private business owner (Art Modell) who tried to bully the city into building him a new stadium and when the city said no he literally moved the team in the middle of the night to Baltimore. Which then of course the city built a new one for the new Clevelend Browns. Guess what, the city may look thriving on a Sunday during football season, but the rest of the year it's like BFD we got this big stupid stadium doing nothing the rest of the year (God forbid they put a roof on it and try to host a Super Bowl some year - never to actually PLAY in the Super Bowl, that would be freakin' crazy).

So there you have it in the long run, a big expensive stadium that created some jobs a long time ago, and some temp jobs during football season, otherwise it is tsking up space on the lakefront that could have had some year-round profitable purpose like an aquarium or condos for yuppies.

Beth said...

Here's another crazy idea, relating your your comments Smithers about having a safe city. Maybe if our tax dollars weren't going to things they should not, like stadiums, the city could put more resources into the police department. Just a thought.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

My word Beth, your logic just really makes too much sense. It's like when you look into the cupboard for the flour and for the life of you, you simply can't seem to find it. And yet, there it is right at eye level...staring you right in the face.

Anonymous said...

I got a charge out of reading all this ;)

-Jon

Anonymous said...

By the way, Chris, since you guys have been talking about taxpayers subsidizing big businessmen who want to build football stadiums and the like, maybe you should write another blog entry on energy policy and make mention of T. Boone Pickens and the generous subsidies he is to receive.

(Surprisingly, I've only seen his commercial once.)

Name: Soapboxgod said...

I've got so much on my plate at present it's crazy fun. But, you're right brother Jon, I should. And ya know...I'd be just as willing to bash his billionaire oilman ass all the way to the bank.

Tell you what though, why don't you write it up and I'll let you have the honor of a guest post.

Come on man...help a brother out. ;-)

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Patrick M said...

One last thing for Smithers:

We don't necessarily like or dislike you, as we had no opportunity to get to know you. Although the initial comment did not endear us to your position:

Who really gives a crap?
The conservatives are a bunch of spineless whimps that find fault with everything.


When you start with insults, you can expect a response in kind. You should see some of the exchanges I've had with liberal bloggers that I also consider blogger buddies.

Just something to think about.

Also, if I insult you, will you fire a few invective my direction too? I'm feeling all lonely and shit.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

Well said Patrick. Let's not forget either that it continued from there:

"You guys are idiots..I am sick of you biased, pompous, and elitist right-wing jerks. You think you know it all.
If they want to build a stadium, who the hell are you to try and stop them?"


Need I say, it was this which prompted the barage of epithets.

As we've seen countless times before, liberals are all too quick to launch verbal assaults and equally as quick to cry hate speech when their opponent returns fire.

Herein,the point has been proven yet again.

Patrick M said...

Beth: Nice try, but not pissy enough. I'd at least have gone for calling me third-rate squeegie for a jiizzmopper.

Beth said...

After 16 years of Catholic education, that was the best effort I could muster, Patrick.

I guess Smithers took his ball and went home.

Patrick M said...

16 years!?!?!?!

And you're still sane?

8 years was enough to do permanent damage here.

Beth said...

Four of the years waa at an all-girls high school, too.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

"Four of the years waas at an all-girls high school, too."

Now that's a way to get young men to come to church!

Beth said...

I hate to burst your bubble, no wait, I don't mind telling you that we did not wear nighties and have pillow fights all day.

Name: Soapboxgod said...

Now Beth...was that wholly necessary?

;-)

Beth said...

Bubbles always burst, don't they?

Patrick M said...

Bubbles always burst, don't they?

Among other things.

Kris said...

soapbox and all: what a read and what language.

soapbox, I found that i agreed with all of your answers to the questionnaire. I guess that these issues apply to your city, but we have had the same issues, stadiums and such, where i live. keep up the good work.

smithers, I think you said that all Rep's were spineless, well I have never been described as spineless, I have been described as opinionated, strong willed and loud. My husband says he has a choice, be happy or be right. he chooses to be happy.

kw

Name: Soapboxgod said...

Thanks. Most definitely these sorts of issues are not region specific. They could and likely do apply to a great many cities and states.

It is for reasons such as this Kris that I have, for some time, been a huge critic of members within the Republican party who have drifted portside and adopted watered down versions of these practices.

I have come to know what to expect from the Democratic party. As such, I see know point in focusing my attention or efforts upon them.

Instead, I look towards the Republican party to be the party which takes a completely contrarian view than does the Democratic party. Unfortunately, that is not always the case.